Jason Hamrock: [00:00:07] Well, hey, Jennifer, welcome to the show. How are you today?
Jennifer Sharp: [00:00:12] I’m great. How are you?
Jason Hamrock: [00:00:13] I’m doing awesome. Yes, here we are, it’s coming into the fall season and no doubt you’re getting ready for all the fall and Christmas sets going to be coming. I’m excited to talk to you, and this is going to be a fun episode because of your story and I’m pretty pumped about that. Let me introduce you real quick. I have Jennifer Sharp on the podcast today, and Jennifer is a comm director. She didn’t start off as a comm director. We’re going to get into that story because I think it’s a pretty fascinating story. But she is the Communications Director at Northwest Bible Church in the Dallas area, and I’m really excited to have you aboard the show today. So thanks for diving in. Why don’t you just take a moment and kind of share your story a little bit with our audience and let them get to know who you are?
Jennifer Sharp: [00:01:08] Yeah, I definitely am an unlikely story I think, so. I am doing what I love, but I didn’t know it was what I was going to love, so I think that’s kind of it in a nutshell. But in growing up, I was always interested in art and I love to read and some writing, but definitely interested in words and art. And so I thought I wanted to be a programmer at one point, and then, because my dad is a programmer, and then I was like, well, I want to do graphic design. So I went to school for multimedia, first at a community college, and I got an associate’s in multimedia, and through that process did an internship.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:01:47] And I was like, actually, I really love the graphic design part of it, just like traditional graphic design, like, I love that. And so I went to A&M Commerce for Art Direction and got a Bachelor of Fine Arts there, and as part of that, I did an internship at an advertising agency in Dallas called Slingshot and loved that. And I was like, I’m going to be an art director, I’m going to work in advertising, I’m going to love it. it’s super fun. And all the while I did grow up in church, I came to know Jesus at a young age and, you know, have been part of church my whole life. I love to sing, so I’d never volunteered at my church in any sort of design or art capacity, but was always like singing and being on the worship team.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:02:32] So yeah, so I got laid off actually at my advertising job in 2008, I think that was around the time of the recession. And through that process, I worked there for about two and a half years, and through that process, I actually kind of came to loathe it. That sounds bad, and it wasn’t about the company, it was more about me recognizing that I was advertising for, you know, just all these brands and all these companies that you’ve heard of, and it was really fun and exciting. But I started to get burnt out with the number of hours I was working and thinking forward, we didn’t have kids at the time. I was like, well, I need to have kids, eventually. I wanted to, not need to. and I was like, I don’t know how this is going to work with that. And I was like, plus the competition level in advertising and like pitting teams against teams, and like, I just wasn’t super fulfilled by it. And I really just started getting disengaged because if I’m not passionate about something, like, I’m just not in it. So I got laid off and that was tragic, just because who wants to get laid off, right?
Jennifer Sharp: [00:03:32] But I actually kind of saw it as a blessing because I’m like, yes, I don’t have to do this anymore. I told my husband at the time, I was like, do you know what? I’m totally done with advertising. I just want to go get like a boring admin job somewhere, and like just clock in and do my job and have free time. that’s all I want to do. So I actually took a year off, and like we didn’t really have the money for that because my husband’s a photographer and he was starting his career. But honestly, I was just burnt out, I really didn’t know what I wanted to do. I had this great degree, I went to a great school, I was, like, talented enough, but I just didn’t want to do it. And so my husband was really gracious, and I took some time off and like, I did like, you know, like a side business and just, you know, for fun and some extra money. But then we started going to Northwest Bible Church at the time, and actively got involved there and loved the church. And at the time my husband started in the worship team, not on staff, but just volunteering and got to know the worship minister and was like, hey, there are graphic designer is leaving, like they’re going to need somebody. You have skills, and like we need money, we love the church, you should do that. And I was like, oh, don’t want to do that, nope, don’t want to do it, which was just so funny.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:04:42] So I was like, okay, but I love the church and I’m an ideogram one, so I just want to do the right thing.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:04:47] And it’s like, okay, it makes sense. Like I do have the skills. I want to help the church, like I can do it and it’s only part time. So I was like, I’ll just do it and help. So I did. I think I started like 24 hours or 20 hours a week at the time. Back in 2009, January 2009, I started as the graphic designer and honestly, I started really enjoying it and I think it was God’s process of healing me and just restoring my passion for the gifts and talents that he put inside me. And I was like, Oh, I can do this and I can do it for Jesus. I don’t have to like do it for Jack Daniels or, you know, whatever other brand that I mean, that’s a t shirt right there. I did some fun stuff. I got some experience and I did some fun stuff and I loved that experience. But it just wasn’t fulfilling in the same way. And I’m like, Here, I’m doing like a flier for the women’s ministry and I love it more, you know, because I knew that I was doing it for Jesus. And so that was really fun. And I just ended up loving it. And obviously I’m still here. Um, but yeah, that was the beginning of it. So where do you want me to jump from there?
Jason Hamrock: [00:05:51] I was going to say, you know, so, so I mentioned that you’re, you’re the com director and you’re sharing earlier. You’re kind of like, yeah, that’s God’s sense of humor right there, because you didn’t want to be the God. In fact, you, you you hired the com director at the church. So yeah, walk us. Just this the the latter part of the time that you’ve been at. Yeah. That you’re, you know, with, with your with your journey.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:06:15] Yeah. So I was the graphic designer and up and down on ours so they didn’t have enough money to pay for a full time designer at the time. So I started part time and like I was really advocating for working more eventually because I’m like, We got a lot of stuff to do here. We can do so much more. And then they had the money. So I went full time and then we didn’t. I was just I was the only graphic designer. We didn’t have a team, so it was just me and I with my background, of course, working at an ad agency, I could see the value of like structure and processes and systems early on, and I tried to implement a few of those like, you know, creative brief, like, okay, you’ve got this event. What audience are you trying to reach and like, what’s your results that you’re trying to get? And like they were like, Oh, we don’t need that. So I was like, okay, cool. I had no authority. So I was like, Well, I guess we just won’t do that then. Um, but anyway, so all the years went by and we started gaining some traction. I got a lot of, I think people, the executive team started trusting me.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:07:12] They’re like, okay, well, Jennifer’s here. She knows what she’s doing. You know, I’ve proven myself and me and my supervisor at the time, the worship minister started like being on the same page with like really do need a calm director. Like we kind of need to elevate this thing, right? Like, we got a lot of stuff going on and no strategy. And at the time we had taken on another part time designer and by this point I’d already had two kids. So I had two kids came back full time. Um, so all that had happened. So yeah, when we started looking for the comm director, like I was really excited because I didn’t want to do that job. I loved being a designer, so I went through that process, hired her first communications director, and she was here for a couple of years. I loved her. She was great. Um, she did. She put a lot of processes and systems in place. We grew. It was awesome. And then she moved on. Um, and we had an open position. So at that point it was me as a full time designer, a part time designer, and then this open position for communications director, I still don’t want to do it because actually I was part time at that point and the other girl was full time.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:08:14] There’s been a lot. Um, so I was like, Yeah, this is great. We’re going to hire another communications director, This is going to be awesome. And so the position sat open for months. It was like September to April when I took over the position. Wow. And I was not interested in doing that. And I was like, We’re going to find somebody great. I’m not qualified. I can’t do that job. Um, which tends to be my default mode is like false humility. And I think I operate a little bit out of fear, which I’m growing in. But my husband again was like, you know, you can totally do that. Like you should apply. And people would ask me that. I work with, Are you going to apply for that? I’m like, No, I can apply for that. Um, so I have this weird story of like, most people really want a job and apply for it and hope they get it. I’ve been the opposite here. I’m like, I don’t want that job. I’m like, okay, well, I’ll do it. And so it’s just this really.
Jason Hamrock: [00:09:05] Kind of it’s kind of.
Speaker4: [00:09:06] Like it’s kind of like Moses. If you are, you’re sort of like sort of like Moses, but the staff in your hand is a mouse, you know, I.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:09:13] Never I never honestly thought of it that way. But yeah, it’s definitely God like God, I feel like called me here, God put me here and God is open the door and I’m just like, Whatever you want me to do, God, I’ll do it. Um, and I tell people sometimes they’re like, Why have you you been there forever? Like, why? And I’m like, Because God hasn’t told me to leave. Like, I don’t have. I’m weird. I know, but I don’t have, like, this ladder that I’m trying to climb. I don’t have, like, huge aspirations for where I’m going next. I’m like, I feel called here. And when God tells me to leave, I’ll leave. Yeah, here. And they haven’t kicked me out. So.
Jason Hamrock: [00:09:45] So what is the talk to us? Because I have I have some questions I really want to dive into because I think your story resonates with a lot of people listening. And that is you started off, first of all, maybe you didn’t even want to be in ministry. You find yourself in ministry and you find yourself elevating to the next level. And maybe it wasn’t something you had planned, but God had a plan. His plans always work out for the best and and his plans are always, always good for us. Tell me about, you know, now because you’re an artist, you’re you’re a designer by heart, but now you’re a director. What’s the joy that you get out of being a director?
Jennifer Sharp: [00:10:22] Yeah, I think that’s a really great question. I’ve always been a strategic thinker, and even when I was, um, I love design, but even in that I was always interested in like in the ad agency, we had writers that did the copywriting and we did the design and then we had a production team. So it was very segmented. But I would always think, Oh, well, this would be a great headline, right? So I always thought that way, even though the job was segmented and I was never on the strategy side. But my brain definitely works that way. And that’s the main reason I thought maybe I could do this because I think my brain works that way. And I even as the designer here, since we didn’t have a comm director, I was doing actually a lot of that on a low level with no authority. Um, that I end up doing now. And I just didn’t realize it. I’m like, Oh, well, I’m advocating for certain things and I’m kind of leading up in some ways, even though it didn’t always result in change immediately because I didn’t have authority. Um, but that my brain works in all those ways. I like to see a big picture and be a part of all the pieces. Um, and I did actually work with from the beginning. I have worked with the senior pastor on his design concepts for the sermon series, so nothing outside of that up until I took this role, but I was always like, Oh, tell me what you’re trying to convey. Like I, you know, I would come up with a title for the series a lot or collaborate with him on it. And so I just really liked being a part of the big picture.
Jason Hamrock: [00:11:53] Yeah. What’s been your biggest what’s been your biggest learning curve?
Jennifer Sharp: [00:11:58] Um, lots of things, but trying to figure out how to get out of the weeds, um, in, in, in progressive ways. So at first it was like separating myself from actually designing. And there was definitely a shift that had to happen where I’m like, okay, I can’t open Photoshop and like, do that thing myself. I need to ask somebody else to do it, even if I know exactly how it should be done or I think I know exactly how it should be done right, because it was my job to know before. And so delegating, um, passing off responsibility and even just recognizing when I’m getting in the weeds too much. And that’s a really fine line because I also have Add and so my brain really likes detail and it’s very gratifying. And so trying to figure out how to like pull back and delegate and then recognizing when I’m getting into it and I’m like, Oh, there’s the pattern. I’m like, This isn’t helpful for anyone.
Jason Hamrock: [00:12:55] So, wow. You know, you said something just a second ago where getting out of the weeds like it’s so easy, I think, for all of us to slip. In the weeds. Are those weeds centered around what’s happening this weekend, or do you find yourself focused more on bigger initiatives or working with the ministries? How do you how do you balance all that?
Jennifer Sharp: [00:13:17] Well, I mean, I think that’s a multifaceted question. And so I’m not exactly sure where to start answering that. But as far as weeds, I mean, any sort of production level weeds, right? Like, for example, I have a communications coordinator now and I used to do all of that. So when we hired her, it was a new position and then I had to like train her to take those things over. And there’s a learning period where she hadn’t ever actually had that role before. So I was still kind of training wheels, like helping with a lot and in the weeds because I also knew a bunch of stuff. So there’s a context, things that she’d be like, Oh, they’re asking for this, what do they mean? I’m like, Well, this is what they mean. So there was a lot of training and hands off and handing off. Um, but I find myself because my brain has all those grooves now of like getting into that pattern of like, Oh, well, someone has a question, I’ll just answer it. I’m like, Wait, no, that’s not my job to answer that question. Maddie can handle that. She’s capable. She’s been here for a while. She knows what she’s doing. Like, I’m going to let her answer it. And if she doesn’t know, she can ask me, right? Yeah. So I’m trying to get out of that. And I’ve been doing a better job over the past several months with that. But yeah, it’s a process and it’s a continual process. Um, yeah.
Jason Hamrock: [00:14:31] So and then and then as far as the how much, how much time are you dedicating to the weekend versus being able to handle all the different initiatives that come your way that are, you know, more either outward focused or ministry specific?
Jennifer Sharp: [00:14:47] So it’s kind of hard to say exactly, but I would guess probably 30% Sunday and 70% other, if you will. And the other is a lot of stuff like. So we have a vision at the church, right? Which a lot of churches do that we’re in the middle of a seven year vision right now, which is kind of long. But so I have a lot of vision related goals or tasks and side projects. And I’m also meeting with our senior leadership team just once a month right now just to kind of say, hey, here’s what the next several weeks look like or six weeks, major messages, things like that. Um, kind of strategically planning some of the things that I don’t have control planning that have been planned, but like, okay, how does that fit into our matrix? What do we say on Sundays? Who should the mic be and what are they going to say to tie these things together and how does that interact with our mission and vision, and what language are we using around certain things and how can we be consistent through channels and stuff like that? So it’s not all Sunday, but there’s some crossover for sure.
Speaker5: [00:15:52] Sure, sure.
Jason Hamrock: [00:15:53] What’s your, um. Put you on the spot here? I feel like I’m putting you on the spot a lot, so that’s good. That’s okay. What’s your favorite? What project management system do you do you use and why?
Jennifer Sharp: [00:16:06] Yeah, we use Asana and we love it and we haven’t tried other ones. So I’ll just say that some people are really good about trying everything and picking like the one that works best. I’m like, I’m usually not like that. I’ll do some research up front and then pick something and stick with it. Um, but we’ve used Asana for many years and at first we used the, the free version and that worked for a while and then we upgraded to a paid version of it and we use it very heavily. I mean, I’ve gotten to the point where I take all my notes in Asana too, but yeah, we’ve got a pretty, pretty solid system in Asana.
Speaker5: [00:16:46] Yeah.
Speaker4: [00:16:47] You flesh out a little bit. Sorry. I’m just gonna get you. Can you flesh out a little bit how your team, for starters, describe what your team makeup is. Who, who’s serving alongside you in the comms team. And then how church wide are the leaders, ministry leaders and so forth? How how is everybody integrated into your Asana platform?
Jennifer Sharp: [00:17:07] Yeah, so I’m the director, of course. And then we have a full time graphic designer and we just added a part time graphic designer, um, back into the system. We tried a virtual online only agency for a year and it didn’t work out the way we wanted, so we added back the part time designer position Then that was literally just a few weeks ago. Um, then communications coordinator is full time and she came on board last August for the first time. And then we have a part time social media strategist and she’s been with us since October 2021, so almost a couple of years. Um, so that’s our makeup right now. So.
Speaker4: [00:17:46] So two, two full time, two part time plus you. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And so how is everybody integrated into the Asana platform and how are you utilizing it with your other ministers, ministry leaders and other people outside of just the comms team?
Speaker5: [00:18:00] Yeah.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:18:01] So right now. All the main users of Asana are obviously all the Com team and then all of the support staff for each ministry because they’re the ones really that are doing the grunt work of like doing the requesting work, right? Like making the requests, communicating what their ministry leaders are looking for. So at our in our staff, it’s like admins and coordinator level. They all are in Asana daily and we coordinate. So we have a four times a year submission process right now where we let all the teams know like, Hey, we need your communications request for design and publicity for the next season by X date. And they input that all into Asana natively through templates and then com coordinator goes in and sorts all of it and makes sure nothing’s missing and then assigns out the work to the designers. So that’s kind of how it works. And we have two different functions for it. We have the assets, all the stuff we’re actually creating, and then we have the comm channels part. So stuff gets tagged into all the comm channels and actually found I can’t remember who it was. I’d have to go look, but I got we used a sauna for a long time, but the way we have it structured right now was actually copycatted from some communications director at some church in the Midwest that I found through the church communications Facebook group so I could look it up. But he was really gracious. He’s like, Oh, we have it set up this way, and here’s this whole video. And I was like, okay, copy paste, you know? So yeah, I love learning from other people.
Jason Hamrock: [00:19:29] Yeah. Are you active in the church communications Facebook group? Do you?
Jennifer Sharp: [00:19:34] Yeah, fairly active. I actually just went and looked. I was searching for something I posted about and I tend to post in there like every few months, every two months. Sometimes I’ll get on a run and do 2 or 3 in a couple of months, but and then I’ll comment when I think I have something really relevant to add. But yeah, it’s been a great resource.
Jason Hamrock: [00:19:51] Yeah. So what Jennifer’s referring to is if you go to Facebook and you search for church communications, there’s a private group that you can join for free. There’s like 30 to 30,000 people. And what’s a great resource guide? Because as Jennifer, you can post something if you’ve got a if you have a need or a problem to have somebody speak into, you will get kinds of all kinds of answers, right? So yeah.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:20:15] It’s great, great crowdsourcing and really great. Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker4: [00:20:19] I think one of the one of the things that people miss out on a lot is that you can actually search in the Facebook group. Previous questions that people have asked and all of the solutions that others have offered. So you don’t even have to post a question yourself. You can actually go and search for previously asked questions that are similar to yours. And there’s just a wealth of a wealth of stuff in there. So we’ll link to that in the show notes. Jennifer, have a have a question. I’m going to kind of rewind this a little bit on into the weeds because I think this is more of a leadership, it’s more of a leadership question than it is necessarily a comms question. But, you know, we recently had Tyler Mount from Providence Church in North Carolina on our show. And one of the things that he cited was that the people that make up his communications leadership team are not graphic designers. They actually outsource all of their graphic design. And he said, we are not graphic designers, but we know what graphic, good graphic design looks like. That’s that’s their skill set.
Speaker4: [00:21:14] You now, as the leader of the comms team, recognizing that you can’t be the one that opens up Illustrator or Photoshop every time to whip up the the graphic or the design that needs to be put together. Um, how do you find yourself able to empower other people to do something that you yourself know? You can knock it out of the park, you could do a great job because that is your gifting, that is what you’re good at. I think in church leadership, this is one of the great deficiencies that a lot of church leaders have is that I can’t let somebody else do it because they’re not going to do it as well as I do it. How do you get over that hump of saying, I’m going to empower the person that we’ve assigned to do this, to do it, and I’m going to coach and I’m going to guide, but I’m not going to meddle. I’m not going to get into the middle of it with them. How how have you overcome that? What and what are maybe you haven’t, I don’t know. Tell us where you are in that.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:22:07] Yeah, well, I mean, I made a rule for myself, first of all, like, I just don’t do it. So for me, it was like, I don’t do it. So if somebody asked me and the designers overloaded, I got to the point where I was like, We just don’t have time. Like, I’m not going to do it because I had to. I had to make a rule for myself and I had support in this too. And honestly, I was pushed into it a tiny bit at first where it was like, You shouldn’t be doing that. I’m like, You know what? Okay, I’m just not going to do it. Like, if we don’t have time, we don’t have time because it’s not my job. So there’s definitely a decision point there, which is sometimes hard, especially like for people pleasers, which I can be a little of. Um, yeah. Where it’s like, Oh, but it’s church. Like they really need something. Like, I don’t want to say no because, you know, whatever, but you can’t just operate like that on a regular basis where you just won’t get anything done. Um, so there’s definitely a logical side of it. Like just don’t do it, you know, like what’s going to happen? Nothing’s going to burn down. I mean, you know, so there’s that part of it. But then they’re like you said, there’s the part of it where you trust someone because what’s been hard for me is. Learning how much feedback to give, right? Like how detailed a feedback I give or how much idea I try and feed into it up front because like my brain starts thinking I’m like, Oh, we could do this. We could do that, but like, I can’t be the one to do it.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:23:31] And so even if it’s a good idea in my head, if I tell the person that idea and then they try and do it, it’s really not going to end up like I thought anyways. So there’s a really weird disconnect. Um, I’m not the only one who has good ideas. Other people have good ideas, right? And so I have to like let them explore that. And I do think, I do think it helps knowing that I’m not God. I mean, that sounds dumb, but like, I just am not the source of all good things, right? God is the God is the real creative, and he can put ideas in anyone’s head. And it isn’t just my head that he puts ideas in. And so I’m just starting to develop. And I’ve had a really good supervisor that’s challenged me in that too, because he and I are a little bit similar. Similar in that he’s just really good at his craft. Honestly, I think he’s better at what he does than what I did. And so there’s also a recognizing of like your own talent level, like, you know what, I am good, but like I’m not that good. And like, other people do it better, you know, So there’s some humility in there. But I think just the practical part of like, wanting to control is really hard to get over, but you just have to check yourself on it, you know, like accountability with a supervisor or just even like a trusted friend or a, you know, somebody that kind of knows you that can be like, Hey, how are you doing on this? Um, is helpful. But yeah.
Jason Hamrock: [00:24:55] I love your posture on that. Yeah, yeah, that’s really good.
Speaker4: [00:24:59] So, Jennifer, outside of the Church Communications Facebook group, where else are you looking to learn? Are there other people that you look to, whether it’s leaders or creatives or comms directors, podcasts you listen to books, conferences. Share with us what some of your sources of inspiration and learning have been.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:25:17] Yeah, I love Carrie Newhouse podcast. I don’t listen to every episode because, you know, I’m a mom of two kids. I got a lot of stuff going on, but I do have a little bit of a longer.
Speaker4: [00:25:28] And they’re an hour and they’re an hour and 20 minutes long. Right.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:25:32] Right. But you know what? I actually kind of love that and whatever. Everybody has different stuff, but like, I have a little bit of a longer commute. I have about a 30 to 45 minute commute. And so I can listen to a podcast. I get started on my way in, I can finish it on the way out or, you know, sometimes I’ll listen to it twice. But he has so many good guests on and like leadership and I just like love. I just eat that stuff up because I just really love the strategic thinking and like, that’s what feeds me. I don’t really I really don’t look at design stuff. I don’t I have a background in it and I’m like aware of what’s going on, but I’m not like following design blogs and all that stuff because that’s not my job anymore. And so I’m just really trying to consume like leadership content and like, you know, how do you carve out time for things? How do you set goals, How do you control and empower people and that kind of stuff. So yeah, and I’m not I’m not a person who listens to a ton of different stuff like I have Add. So I try and keep my sources fairly minimal or I just feel really frazzled. So I listen to a lot of Carrie Neuhoff because he has such great guests. And then I love the church communications Facebook group. Like I said, that’s great for crowd sourcing. Um, and then I did a, I did a comm cohort with Phil Bowdell from Slingshot a couple a year and a half or so. I can’t remember we.
Speaker4: [00:26:50] Had Phil on our show. Yeah. Jason you interviewed I don’t think was on that episode, but I think Phil was on our show.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:26:56] Yeah, he was great. We did that actually in the fall of 2020, I think. So like coming right out of the pandemic. We were supposed to start it like like April or May or something like that of 2020, and clearly it had to get postponed. But like it was really pivotal to have like a calm cohort of people like during coming out of Covid, whereas like you need some grounding, you know? So that was great. And I’ve worked with Fishhook. I think you guys were connected with Fishhook a little bit, right? Yeah, those.
Jason Hamrock: [00:27:26] Guys, Yeah.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:27:27] Yeah. And they were really a great partner for some coaching. And then Bart was coaching me at first when I first started. And so I have a lot of good input from different sources. Yeah. So it’s helped because I needed all of it. I’m like, I don’t know what I’m doing, so I need everybody’s help.
Jason Hamrock: [00:27:42] Yeah, well, thank you. No, thank you for being open and honest with all that you’ve got going on in your journey. If there are because I know a lot of people who listen to our podcast are those people that are maybe, uh, being nudged to move up the ladder, so to speak, because God’s planting that seed. It’s not them selfishly wanting to move up, right? So if there’s anybody else out there who wants to get a hold of you, what’s the best way to get in touch with you? If they if they want to, you know, bend your ear for a conversation.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:28:14] Station, you know, probably LinkedIn. And I don’t. Actively use it a lot. But if someone sends me a message, I definitely respond. So it’s funny, this tells you a little bit about how much how long I’ve been here and how little I care about climbing a ladder. Like the photo on my LinkedIn profile is like from I don’t remember like 2009 or 2010 or something like so old. I’m like, I just don’t even pay attention. I log in and accept friend requests sometimes and like whatever. But yeah.
Jason Hamrock: [00:28:43] Okay. So find you on LinkedIn. Yeah.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:28:46] I’ll respond to messages for sure.
Speaker5: [00:28:48] Yeah. Awesome.
Speaker4: [00:28:48] We’ll, we’ll link, we will link to your LinkedIn profile in the show notes so people can connect with you. Any, any parting shots, anything that you want to kind of share as a just sort of a last chance to speak to church communications professionals or volunteers or church leaders who are maybe, you know, in the trenches of comms. Anything you want to share?
Jennifer Sharp: [00:29:08] Yeah, I think couple things. Don’t be afraid to advocate for yourself, but in a humble way and pray about it first, because the heart can be very deceitful and the heart can be very selfish. And so I think praying is really good to check your heart. I’ve had to do that so many different times. Um, and then one verse that stuck out to me as I was thinking about just my time here is Proverbs 16 nine. The heart of a man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps. And that’s kind of been my journey. I’m like, I thought I wanted to do X, Y, Z, but like God had different plans. And so I’m just trying to follow whatever his next step is. I don’t know what’s next, but, you know, yeah. So I think humility is huge. It’s hard in church and you have to be careful because you don’t want to you don’t want to like undersell yourself, but you also want to be careful about doing it in a way that’s Christ like advocating for yourself in that way and understanding that it is God’s church and trusting that he can change leaders hearts and in his timing. So it’s hard sometimes.
Speaker4: [00:30:15] Jennifer Yeah, it is. You know what? I appreciate you. It’s been a privilege to know you. I guess we’re going on five years or so close to that.
Speaker5: [00:30:23] Since.
Speaker4: [00:30:24] Since we first connected with each other. So it’s been great and exciting to to watch you, you know, kind of just grow into your role. And your church is a fantastic church. Pastor Neil is a really gifted communicator and you just have such a great team around you, so proud that we at Missional Marketing have an opportunity to to sort of walk alongside you guys in your journey of reaching people in Dallas, like the heart of Dallas, real Dallas.
Jennifer Sharp: [00:30:47] So I really appreciate just all the input you’ve had in my journey and my life and advocating for me. And it’s been really, really cool to to watch your journey too. But I appreciate your input and your coaching.
Speaker4: [00:30:59] Well, we’re all we’re all in this together. We’re all in it for one thing, and that’s to help more people find and follow Jesus. And those of you who are listening to the podcast, we hope that this has been informative and helpful for you. If you’re watching on our YouTube channel, make sure that you scroll down to the comments section. We always post a question, just sort of an open ended question to start some dialog on the YouTube channel and would love to engage with you there. And just as always, a reminder, you know, this was five star content and therefore this podcast deserves a five star review. Just give the review because Jennifer was so amazing, not because of Jason and me. We’re we’re the we’re the sidekicks here to the real stars of the show. Jennifer, thank you so much for being on the show. The rest of you who are listening or watching. Yeah, thank you so much. And audience out there. We’ll see you next time.
Speaker5: [00:31:45] Bye.